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Harry Campbell's avatar

Great analysis as always and cool way to think about each company's approach.

Just to be clear on Uber though, they have 0 AV partners doing autonomous rides in the United States :)

"But does the thesis survive contact with the Waymo breakup? Here’s the bear math: strip Waymo off the app in Phoenix, Austin, and Atlanta, and Uber has fewer than 200 non-Waymo autonomous vehicles taking paid rides in the US, across two cities. No partner besides Waymo has scaled past 100 cars on-app. AVs are still <0.5% of total Uber trips. This all makes the Nuro/Lucid Bay Area launch the single most important date on Uber’s calendar."

Mark Dolan's avatar

First time reader. This was thoughtful and provocative. The only of these approaches I feel qualified to share a take on is Uber. The rest are still evolving. Uber is Deadman walking. The US offerings that have or may scale don't need Uber. The Chinese players working with Uber just need a short-term talisman for market entry. Anyone seeing what has happened with the modest let's see what happens with Uber and Waymo has seen Phoenix go away with Austin/Atlanta at the two minute warning. Waymo (or anyone else that is credible) will only be interested in partners who add value. The best test of that will be Lyft in Nashville who is committed to providing value for Waymo in their lowest population density city they have ever bothered to explore. This could evolve into something sensible and allow right-sizing of the peak demand fleet size.

Follow the space closely. There are no fleet limits for Waymo in their service areas. This is silly grandstanding and merely says someday when I grow up to be a boy I wish for 1000 cars or 5000 cars. Nothing more. Clark County is an unusual taxi culture and manages even light licensing with vehicle counts. The best metric for autonomous taxis is to gauge equivalent 24by7 fleet vehicles which has nothing to do with how many are in the parking lot or in a dreamer's head. It is the number that can be simultaneously operated by the provider (can be remotely managed at scale safely and insurable). The number is hard to estimate for the players with no credible scaled markets just yet. The big players (Waymo & Chinese triumvirate) all provide adequate public data to accurately estimate this. The rest are hedging as you might expect. Here's a simple observation. Waymo did about 160K miles/day in SF way back in Q1. That means at least 800 concurrent cars or so. Zoox does closer to 5000 mi/day in Vegas & Bay combined. Tesla does about 2000 mi/day in Austin. Those are both Q2 numbers. It is charming to say I want 1000 cars in Vegas for Zoox. That's 5 miles/day/car. The Tesla grift even more ridiculous 0.4 miles/day per wishful car. You can push them that far. It is entirely too early to pretend to surmise what each of these companies want. Most of them don't know themselves yet.

I'll end with your final statement of "Waymo wants every city. Tesla wants the cost curve. Uber wants everyone else's AVs. Zoox wants a premium. Someone's wrong." -- Waymo is scaling to cities that offer affluence, high pop density and tourism. Tesla wants a merger story. Uber wants to run out the clock and create uncertainty. Zoox (Amazon) wants the last mile.

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